Oct 30, 2008  Apple Mac OS X Operating System Versions: Mac OS X version 10.4.9 (Tiger) or a later version of Mac OS Before you install this update, make sure that the Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac 12.1.3 Update is installed on your computer. To verify that you have installed this update, open any Microsoft Office 2008 application (for example, open Word), and then on the Word. Sharing files between Microsoft Office and Apple's iWork suite can be a pain. These are the default file formats of Office 2008 for Mac, and Office 2007 for Windows. Microsoft seems to have noticed this and has announced that it will. PDF won't show transitions or play audio or video, but it is universal.

Online Help for Office 2008 is no longer available, but that's what the program looks for by default. If you go toHelp Word Help or likewise for the other apps then go to the lower left corner of theHelp window & open the list you should still have access to locally installed Help files by selectingOffline Help.First, make sure that your installation is fully updated. The last update for Office 2008 12.3.6. That as well as all prior updates are still available.

Once all is updated run Disk Utility to repair disk permissions followed by a Restart of your Mac.Lack of updates could explain the issues you're having. Especially if you've switched to a newer version of OS X.Unless something has been changed on your Mac all of the built-in templates should still be available. Take a look in/Applications/Microsoft Office 2008/Office/Media/Templates to confirm whether the folders & their content is there.Template you created can be stored anywhere you may have chosen to save them.

The default location is /UserName/Library/Application Support/Microsoft/Office/User Templates, so check there as well.If you have moved/deleted anything or used some sort of utility to 'clean up' your Mac it could further explain why the templates aren't showing up. Without any details, though, it's hard to suggest a specific explanation or provide a remedy.If you can be more specific about the other issues perhaps there are some suggestions to be offered. Submit each issue as a separate question in the Community that focuses on the specific program involved. AI: Artificial Intelligence or Automated Idiocy??? Please mark Yes/No as to whether a Reply answers your question. Regards, Bob J.

Bob J.,Thank you so much for the valuable advice. I was able to find the built in templates (Yea!). I have been unable to install any updates.

I even went back to 12.1.1 thinking that it had information that the program needed to build on. The message I gotsaid something about the installed program didn't have the necessary information to continue. I tried to run the disc utility, but I'm not sure I did it correctly. I'm new to mac and I find I'm often missing the obvious on things.The program is working and so I guess I will continue to use it as is until it doesn't!Thanks again for help from 'The Community.' I went to painstaking effort to gather all this information for myself and thought everyone else would find it helpful.

After the multitude of failed updates to 12.0.0 and a miserable conversation with Microsoft Support for Mac who refused to respondto an invalid signature which they could fix: but wouldn't offer. Only that I should either buy Microsoft Office 2011 or 2016.

Of course they want my money.There are regulations about invalid signatures imposed by the FTC and Microsoft should really be reported to the Attorney General.Here are the steps I took and I was able to get past all the. and update all the way to 12.3.6 which is as far as you can go. I was told that Office 2008 would be 'unstable' in El Capitan OS 10.11Hope you find this useful:Master Link for all updates:Office 2008 for Mac 12.0.1 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac Service Pack 1 (12.1.0)Follow these steps to execute this update otherwise you will get an error message stating the signature for this update is invalid.a).

Go to Date & Time Preferences and uncheck set date automatically and then roll back your year to 2010. Restart your Mac.b). Disconnect your internet from your machine and/or turn off Wifi.c). Open the Installer and run it and it will install successfully.d). Reconnect your internet and revert the Date & Time Preferences to set Date Automatically. Restart your Mac3).

Office 2008 for Mac 12.1.1 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.1.2 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.1.3 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.1.4 updateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.1.5 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.1.6 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.1.7 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.1.8 UpdateN/A11). Office 2008 for Mac 12.1.9 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.0 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac Service Pack 2 (12.2.0)Office 2008 for Mac 12.2.1 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.2 UpdateN/A16). Office 2008 for Mac 12.2.3 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.4 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.5 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.6 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.7 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.8 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.2.9 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.3.0 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.3.1 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.3.2 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.3.3 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.3.4 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.3.5 UpdateOffice 2008 for Mac 12.3.6 Updatethere will be no '12.3.7, 12.3.8, 12.3.9.' Support for Office 2008 officially ended in April of 2010http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/mac/forum/macoffice2008-macword/automatic-indentation-of-new-paragraphs-keeps-re/dbd477dc-e206-4a79-b99c-aa66addc4d46?auth=1Vincenthttp://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/confirmation.aspx?id=17575. After updating to 12.1.0 don't need to install all those updaters.

The incremental updaters were rolled into two updaters.Updaters must be applied in order.12.1.0 SP1SP2 requires 12.1.0 or higher be installedRequires 12.2.0 or higher be installed.2008 still runs under El Capitan. Connecting might give you some issues. Entourage has not received any security updaters for several years.

Peter,Unfortunately we don't know the answer yet. Word 2008 isn'tavailable in beta, so we haven't had a chance to evaluate all thepossibilities. Microsoft's decision to drop VBA support isregrettable. Regardless of the reasons they give for thedecision, it can only be for marketing reasons. Since Word 2008isn't yet out in beta, we don't know whether we can replace theMathType menu and toolbar. However, we expect the ability toinsert MathType equations into Word documents to be the same asin previous versions. Bob,many thanks for this.

Two questions come to mind:1. What marketing point could MS have for droping VBA?It will only harm their own product - of course, it could be they areaffraid of the mac's growth in market share, and hope it will attractmore people to windows. Well, I dont think that is going to work forthem. They might get some people to move to win office on paralellsor crossover; however I think they will lose in the long run, giventhe number of people who are saying they will stay with the mac, butmove to open office!2. Given this, it might be time for a version of mathtype that workswith open office. Is this a posibility?thanks,PeterBob Mathews30.07.07 15:00.

Peter,Answer numbers correspond to your question numbers:1) There are three somewhat distinct uses for scripting: (a)corporate IT depts using Office to deploy custom softwaresolutions, (b) independent software vendors seeking to addfunctionality to Office (e.g., Design Science), and (c)individual users seeking to automate some aspect of their workwithin Office. Microsoft wants to use (a) as a way to lockcustomers into Windows. While some people within an organizationmay choose to use the Mac, and corporate networks mustaccommodate them, they must always be 2nd-class citizens as faras IT is concerned. Microsoft obviously doesn't care about (b),as that is the other company's profit. It's a pretty small groupdeveloping Office add-ins for the Mac anyway - maybe just DesignScience.2) OpenOffice has very little market share. As evidence, notethat most scientific journal publishers don't accept Oosubmissions. Many people hate Microsoft, so they want Oo tosucceed, but that doesn't make it popular.

Also, it isn't a verypolished product and, as far as I know, doesn't have a practicalway to support an external math editor. You can use MathType withOo, for example, but the results aren't nearly as nice-looking asthey are with Word.

Oo has nothing comparable to Microst's OLEmechanism for inserting external objects into Office documents.-Bob MathewsDirector of TrainingDesign Science, Inc.bobm atFREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaideOn 30-Jul-2007, wrote: Bob, many thanks for this. Two questions come to mind: 1. What marketing point could MS have for droping VBA? It will only harm their own product - of course, it could be they are afraid of the mac's growth in market share, and hope it will attract more people to windows. Well, I dont think that is going to work for them.

They might get some people to move to win office on paralells or crossover; however I think they will lose in the long run, given the number of people who are saying they will stay with the mac, but move to open office! 2. Given this, it might be time for a version of mathtype that works with open office. Is this a posibility? thanks, Peterpeter.@yahoo.com31.07.07 00:49. In article,wrote: Two questions come to mind: 1.

What marketing point could MS have for droping VBA? It will only harm their own product - of course, it could be they are affraid of the mac's growth in market share, and hope it will attract more people to windows.The answer is far less sinister.

MS has no need to be afraid of thegrowth in Mac market share (at least at this point) - MacOffice is aprofitable product for the MS Mac Business Unit (MacBU), and newer Macscan generate at least some sales of Windows. Besides, having successfulcompetition keeps the feds off their backs.OTOH, sales of MacOffice would drop to nothing if instead of thepromised Office2008, MacBU couldn't release a new version prior toOffice2010. Which is what would happen if they had to update both OfficeAND Mac VBA to a universal binary and Office2007 compatibility at thesame time. All VBA on Macs is VBA5, while WinVBA is version 6.x. The MacVBE is clunky and crippled compared to the Win VBE, and itself would bea major undertaking.In addition, MS has already announced that VBA likely will not besupported in WinOffice after the next version, so spending all that timeand money to update MacVBA would likely STILL leave MacBU with amarginal product and a huge development task, even if customers werewilling to hang around that long.The decision is economic - MacBU has a profit target it must meet (likeany other unit at MS) - after all, MS shareholders are interested inprofit, not subsidies for Mac users. They can't meet that target if theyhave to both update Office and VBA (MacBU's less than 200 people strong,and they have had some trouble filling slots for highly skilled Macprogrammers already).MacBU's forced to roll the dice on this release - we'll have to seewhether they're successful in providing enough value to Mac users toovercome the lack of VBA. If they're successful, then I expect therewill be some reconvergence with WinOffice's programming options in therelease after Office2008.

If not, most of us will likely be runningWinOffice. Well, I dont think that is going to work for them. They might get some people to move to win office on paralells or crossover; however I think they will lose in the long run, given the number of people who are saying they will stay with the mac, but move to open office!Bob's answered this, and I'll just confirm that, with my larger Macclients, many of them have threatened to go to OO over the last fewyears, but none have done so.

NeoOffice has a pretty good Mac OOimplementation, and there are other options, but none of them meet theneeds of corporate users very well. Now the threat seems more to be togo to running WinOffice via Parallels. That threat, while I'm not surethat their Mac users will go for it, is at least credible.peter.@yahoo.com31.07.07 08:09.

J.E., thanks for this,I do understand the economics of this, but I wish they had found a wayforward.I am not an 'MS basher' - although I use a mac, I love office 2004,it's one of the best apps ever, anywhere. But I do have concerns forthe future.They could perhaps, rather than make it universal now, have updatedthe VBA and made other improvments in a way 'consistant' with makingofffice universal later - savng time on making the apps universaland using the time saved to keep VBA.Now I know this would leave office 2008 still runnng on rosetta, butroseta + VBA seems better to me that univiersal without VBA. I haveseen some people running 2004 on rosetta on an intel mac mini and itseems to run OK. GIven that apple may improve rosetta's performance,and macs are getting faster all the time, I don't know whether therewould have been a performance problem with 2008 on rosetta (of coursethere may be much I don't know about this!). Althought undoutably MSwould have still had some stick for this, it could not be as bad assome of the complaints i've seen people posting about the VBA.All I can say is I hope very, very, much that you are right aboutsubsequent editions - hopefully the next version will have the sameas winoffice.I fear that this issue will do much harm to the sales of 2008.

Thiscould be a bigger disaster than word 6 was! Pople will sick with 2004I think. I just hope that if the 2008 sales are poor MS undersatndsthe reason why.This probably would not be so much of a problem if users could seethat 2008 was merely an 'interim' release between scriptingtechnologies. I think it would help so much if someone at Mac BU wereto clarify the long term plans - some confirmation of foroffice 2010 would go a long way towards reassuring people and calmingthem down.Here's hoping.PeterJE McGimpsey31.07.07 09:15. In article,wrote: This probably would not be so much of a problem if users could see that 2008 was merely an 'interim' release between scripting technologies.Well, my speculation about scripting technologies is just that:speculation.There's also one factor that I implied, but didn't make explicit.

TheReturn on Investment for VBA. Even if VBA could have been updated withno delay to Office, the question remains as to whether the investment ofthe millions of dollars would have been recouped in increased sales (or,perhaps more to the point, would be less than the loss of sales due tonot upgrading VBA). I know MY clients will have to make a toughdecision, but they're my clients largely.because.

they use VBA. They'revery likely not anything close to being representative of the overallmarket.You may be right: MacBU perhaps could have chosen to update VBA andleave Office running via Rosetta. I suspect that was one optionconsidered and rejected - there's a significant danger to relying onRosetta for another three or four years, too, and it would have meantmuch more incompatibility - can you imagine corporate clientsdowngrading to.doc,.xls, etc., for another four years?

I can't.Besides which, I don't know how difficult the updating of VBA would havebeen - and there still would have been significant incompatibilitybetween Win and Mac versions simply based on architecture. I think it would help so much if someone at Mac BU were to clarify the long term plans - some confirmation of for office 2010 would go a long way towards reassuring people and calming them down.Just for clarification: The '2010' speculation was my invention - Idon't really know how long it would have delayed the next version ofOffice. Just that it would have put it past the window that MacBU foundacceptable for releasing an upgrade.Who knows when the next version will come out (though it's likely to beat LEAST 2010. And WHETHER a new version comes out will certainly dependon how Office2008 sells.peter.@yahoo.com31.07.07 09:53. I think that the latest 5 year agreement with MS lasts until 2010, sogiven the 2-3 years between releases I think there should be one dueabout then - although it may be called office 2011.

I do think 2008will sell less-well than MS would hope just because of this - butgiven they will surely make money out of it scrapping it would beunwise - the corect lesson would be to fix it.If they did scrap office it would certainly open the door for someoneelse (possible OO - whose office may be much more impressive in threeyears, or maybe someone else). Faced with demands for spereadsheetadd -ins, etc., we may find such things produced for open office calc;equation editing software providing tight integration for write, etc.,etc., etc. Hi Guys,I feel I should jump into this fray, so here goes.Quoting from 'JE McGimpsey', in article, on DATE: In article, wrote: Two questions come to mind: 1. What marketing point could MS have for droping VBA? It will only harm their own product - of course, it could be they are affraid of the mac's growth in market share, and hope it will attract more people to windows.

The answer is far less sinister. MS has no need to be afraid of the growth in Mac market share (at least at this point) - MacOffice is a profitable product for the MS Mac Business Unit (MacBU), and newer Macs can generate at least some sales of Windows. Besides, having successful competition keeps the feds off their backs. OTOH, sales of MacOffice would drop to nothing if instead of the promised Office2008, MacBU couldn't release a new version prior to Office2010.

Which is what would happen if they had to update both Office AND Mac VBA to a universal binary and Office2007 compatibility at the same time. All VBA on Macs is VBA5, while WinVBA is version 6.x. The Mac VBE is clunky and crippled compared to the Win VBE, and itself would be a major undertaking.Well a new version is usually something help boost sales, but 'new' withoutbeing substantially 'improved' usually results only in black eyes.Why the fascination with a Universal Binary? PPC is strong but end-of-lifeand it should be happy with Office 2004 - a superb product overall.

IMHOit's the best version of Office, Mac or Windows (including 2007) yet to hitthe market.Remember Office v.X? Microsoft was going to make that 'universal' for OS9and OSX. Someone at MacBU had the brains to realize that focusing on OSX wasthe smart thing to do. They were right! Where was that person this time?Must have been away or something because it makes no sense to support PPCfor future Office.

The next version of Office should have been Inteloptimized with real Intel-only binary bits for blazing speed and Leopardoptimized, not old code reworked to be dual binary IMHO.The 2008 release would have been better if they had either stuck withRosetta and added some of the missing features you complained about (bringVBA up to version 6 even if the VBE isn't as robust at least bring theobject model up to date). Or they should have dumped PPC altogether andstart from scratch and done it right. I would have loved it if they decidedto make 2008 in Rosetta a cross-platform compatibility improvement release:better movie support, graphics, etc - you know the bugaboos. Who cares aboutthe Ribbon or whatever it morphs into? We already have contextual palettesand they are superb. Why waste time on outmoded toolbars? Windows stillhasn't caught up to the palettes.

Mac Office is years ahead. In addition, MS has already announced that VBA likely will not be supported in WinOffice after the next version, so spending all that time and money to update MacVBA would likely STILL leave MacBU with a marginal product and a huge development task, even if customers were willing to hang around that long.Yea, but the next version after 2007 won't be till 2009 or 2010 at theearliest and you're talking about the one after that bringing the end of VBAat the earliest 2011. That's 4 years minimum of complete incompatibility forMac Office beginning with 2008.-Jim GordonMac MVPMVPs are not Microsoft EmployeesMVP infoJim Gordon MVP31.07.07 21:01. Peter, I think you're on the right track.

See in line.-JimQuoting from ', in article, on DATE: J.E., thanks for this, I do understand the economics of this, but I wish they had found a way forward. I am not an 'MS basher' - although I use a mac, I love office 2004, it's one of the best apps ever, anywhere. But I do have concerns for the future.

They could perhaps, rather than make it universal now, have updated the VBA and made other improvments in a way 'consistant' with making offfice universal later - savng time on making the apps universal and using the time saved to keep VBA.I think MacBU wants to be the best, most Mac-like possible player in thebig-league Mac market. Steve Jobs has said that he would like the major appsto all be dual binaries, so to fit in the the crowd they felt that dualbinary was the 'right thing to do.' My thought is that it was more right inthe political sense than a technical sense. Now I know this would leave office 2008 still runnng on rosetta, but roseta + VBA seems better to me that univiersal without VBA.Me, too. But I don't think 2008 should support PPC at all - and that itshould include VBA. All I can say is I hope very, very, much that you are right about subsequent editions - hopefully the next version will have the same as winoffice.Microsoft is making noises that make me think that everything will go intothe web browser (another recent web 2.0 fad that isn't the brightest ideaever).

Adobe's AIR and Microsoft's Silverlight are the contenders in thering. Google is already in the ring with gloves on ready to spar. OO is100lbs overweight running around the sidelines in a g-string, smoking weedand screaming 'I want to fight, too!' I see no indication from MacBU of any VBA or.NET support in the Mac Officefuture. Then again, I think they have their hands full right now withoutworrying about what will happen after Office 2008, so I'm not worried aboutthat now. I fear that this issue will do much harm to the sales of 2008. This could be a bigger disaster than word 6 was!

Pople will sick with 2004 I think. I just hope that if the 2008 sales are poor MS undersatnds the reason why.I don't know who is the target market for no-VBA Office 2008. Education is atiny fraction of the Office market for Windows but it's a big chunk of theMac Office market. Without VBA we have no EndNote (Word), no TurningPoint(PowerPoint), no MathType.

That leaves Education with either 2004 Windows onMacs (distasteful).The small business market often depends upon at least some Excel macros, sothat market is at least partially lost. What's left is the home 'consumer'market - those who use email and an occasional word processor. I'll guessit's probably the largest share of Mac office customers. I think MacBU ishoping they will carry the day.It's too soon to say whether 2008 will be a bigger disaster than Word 6 was.I haven't seen 2008 yet.

Maybe there will be a compelling new feature thatMacBU hasn't talked about. A waste of screen space. Thereare many people still using Word 5 toolbars. They will continue to use Word5 toolbars. End of Story. Costly to make, with the primarybenefit of perhaps some performance improvement for Intel users (especiallyneeded in PowerPoint).In short, I think for a an unknown number of customers (especially Educationand business) Office 2008 simply is not an option.

For them, the 2008version will not exist. Obviously Microsoft does not think that the numberwho won't upgrade is not substantial enough to hurt sales of Office 2008.For their sake, I hope the projections (I presume and hope they are making)are correct. This probably would not be so much of a problem if users could see that 2008 was merely an 'interim' release between scripting technologies.

I think it would help so much if someone at Mac BU were to clarify the long term plans - some confirmation of for office 2010 would go a long way towards reassuring people and calming them down.The MacBU folks must be pulling their hair out about now. Talk about aseries of bad timing. Apple's switch to Intel was like a punch in the gut.Then Windows Office decided to go with XML file format (breaking Bill Gates'1995 promise to never use a new file format in office).And then there's Leopard.So right now MacBU has several big tasks to complete:Get the new XML file converters for Word, Excel and PowerPoint 2004 out thedoor to restore lost compatibility with office 2007.Leopard is a major OS update. Major OS updates mean big changes at the OSlevel. Almost always that means applications that work now will stopworking. That means you can bet that almost every software developer(including MacBU) is going to have re-work at least some things within theirapps for Leopard just to keep them going. Unless MacBU is extremely luckythey will have to rework Office 2004 at least a little for Leopard, ETAOctober.

At the very least they will need to spend time and effort testingOffice 2004 in Leopard. Leopard without a fully functional Microsoft Office2004 would be a bad thing for Microsoft and especially for Apple, which hasbeen riding a magic elevator lately.Meanwhile the same people at MacBU are working to build Office 2008 and getready to market that - ETA December.I wonder if there will be an ebullient bunch of MacBU folks at MacWorld 2008rejoicing in the release of Office 2008 after a crushing year. I expect theywill be so worn out we'll need to carry them around the convention center.-Jim-Jim GordonMac MVPMVPs are not Microsoft EmployeesMVP infoJE McGimpsey31.07.07 21:44. In article,Jim Gordon MVP wrote: I feel I should jump into this fray, so here goes.I actually agree with almost everything you wrote, so would have madevery different decisions if I had been in charge of MacBU. (As you wellknow!)That said, I certainly don't have any of the internal info that MacBUused to make those decisions, so I have to assume that, even though Idisagree with them, there were good reasons for them. Probably not goodenough to change.my. mind, but then, nobody asked me.With all the people I've met from MacBU, I've yet to find even one thatis either stupid or intent on committing career suicide.

That doesn'tprevent one from stupidly shooting oneself (I've done that to more thanone of my careers), but the decisions have been made long since, andit's far too late to go back and change them.Perhaps 2008 will bomb. Perhaps MS will then have to decide whether toeat the cost of developing a next version, or shut down the MacBU.Perhaps dropping VBA and focusing on UB will be the biggest mistakesince Microsoft Bob. But more informed heads than ours are bettingotherwise. I'm waiting skeptically.Elliott Roper01.08.07 00:25. Clearly there are some different views on the importance of universal,but most people seem to think that losing VBA is a problem. I work ineducation and could not live without some things - most noticablymathtype - although excel add-ins (mac excel expander, etc) areimportant to have access to as well.Al I can hope is that - as someone from MS was saying - you canreplicate the VBA in applescript, and that vendors do so in order tocontinue to provide some integration into word/excel. If this doesnot happen then i'd have to wait untill 2010/11/12 to see what thatversion of office has to offer.Jim Gordon MVP02.08.07 06:59.

Quoting from ', in article, on DATE:Only time will tell if developers will spend the extra time and money ittakes to switch from VBA to AppleScript.With VBA ver 5 existing VBA developers (there's a HUGE number of them) canat least get by with their existing skills when they try to cross theplatform divide. Adding the necessity to use AppleScript adds yet anotherroad block for these folks.

At best, it will take a LOT longer for MathTypeand others to bring out 2008 versions.The question that's on my mind now is, will Office 2004 work with Leopard?October is only 8 weeks away. It would be reassuring to know that the dayLeopard is released that Office 2004 will have been thoroughly tested and isfully functional. I don't recall hear even a peep about this from eitherApple or Microsoft.Converters and 2008 are nice, but if I were in charge making sure that theproduct doesn't die - even for a day - would be my #1 priority.-Jim-Jim GordonMac MVPMVPs are not Microsoft EmployeesMVP infoals.@alstongreen.com02.08.07 10:34. On Aug 2, 6:59 am, Jim Gordon MVP wrote: Quoting from ', in article, on DATE:I will be very curiousto see if Office 2004 works with Leopard.Another question. Hi Bob:You are correct: we don't KNOW yet:-)However, while you can't use a toolbar, I am certain you will be able tocreate your own 'Chunk' for Equation Editor, on the Ribbon.That Chunk will appear automatically when an Equation receives focus.Word 2008 may not call the device the 'Ribbon', but it will have awork-alike that behaves the same way. I will be surprised and disappointedif it does not use the same code and resources as Word 2007, virtuallyunchanged.In Word 2007, a new chunk is simply a small XML addition to a.plist file.CheersOn 31/7/07 2:33 AM, in article urwo3ds0HHA.5884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl, 'BobMathews' wrote: Peter, Unfortunately we don't know the answer yet. Toshiba windows 7 recovery iso. Word 2008 isn't available in beta, so we haven't had a chance to evaluate all the possibilities.

Microsoft's decision to drop VBA support is regrettable. Regardless of the reasons they give for the decision, it can only be for marketing reasons.

Since Word 2008 isn't yet out in beta, we don't know whether we can replace the MathType menu and toolbar. However, we expect the ability to insert MathType equations into Word documents to be the same as in previous versions. MathType and Equation Editor have always been separate applications that use Word's OLE (Object Linking and Embedding) interface which will be supported in Office 2008.-Don't wait for your answer, click here:Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.John McGhie, Consultant Technical WriterMcGhie Information Engineering Pty LtdSydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:John McGhie03.08.07 16:52. Hi John:Yeah, well they DID ask me, and I said almost exactly what you and Jim said:-) However, they have made a different decision.I agree with Bob: the only plausible reason they did that is for Marketingpurposes.Unfortunately, I do not think it was Mac BU who made the decision, and Ibelieve the person who did make it has misunderstood the Word market.(Notice: I did not say 'The Mac market'??)Word 2007 is not going to be a huge seller either: it's not ready for marketand it's crippled for the things we mainly use it for.But right now, Microsoft has larger problems.

Windows Vista is turning intoa horror story for them.I think that right after they get Vista fixed, they will be back to talk tous. And just reading the tea leaves, I suspect some decisions may berevisited.Jim is quite correct when he says the industry (not just Microsoft.) istrying to move the desktop applications into a browser or thin client.

Initself, that's not a bad idea. It is a move back to the old mainframe modelof computing, where the valuable corporate data was secured and maintainedby professionals who do this for a living.The entire value of most corporations is the information they possess.Having it languishing on some $100 hard drive made in China on a $1,000.00computer maintained by nobody and abused by an office worker who neitherknows nor cares about computer security and data integrity is NOT smartbusiness practice. But that's what the whole world is currently doing.Reading the tea leaves, yes, I think we will get 'VBA' back. But I don'tthink it will be VBA as we know it. I suspect it will be VBA-dot-Net. Thatuses the same syntax, but it brings with it the cross-application andcross-computer abilities that Apple Script has.Which, I suspect, is why MacBU is putting such a lot of work into AppleScript in Office currently.There' That's my two Yuan worth (I'm in China, currently.)On 1/8/07 12:44 PM, in article, 'JE McGimpsey' wrote:-Don't wait for your answer, click here:Please reply in the group.

Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.John McGhie, Consultant Technical WriterMcGhie Information Engineering Pty LtdSydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:John McGhie03.08.07 17:40. Hi Peter:Anyone from Microsoft (or anywhere else) who tells you that you canreplicate VBA functionality in Apple Script doesn't know either languagewell.I know almost nothing about AppleScript, but I do know that most commercialand corporate VBA relies on Document Events, which AppleScript does nothave.So you can't 'replicate' VBA, you have to 'redesign' your entire applicationto use a different approach. An approach that won't work in Windows Office.If you had to re-design and re-code to a 'new' language that would also workin Windows dot-Net, it would happen. Developers would scream like you stuckthem with a pin, but they would do it.If you are saying to them 'Do three times the original work to port thisfunction to AppleScript, and then it won't work in Windows.' I am sorry,but you've lost them.Microsoft knows that. That's why I do not think we have seen the end ofthis story yet.CheersOn 1/8/07 4:45 PM, in article,' wrote:-Don't wait for your answer, click here:Please reply in the group.

Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.John McGhie, Consultant Technical WriterMcGhie Information Engineering Pty LtdSydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:John McGhie03.08.07 17:44. Office 2004 WILL work with Leopard (OS 10.5.1). It will require an update,but it will work.Microsoft Virtual PC will run just fine on your G5 (it was designed forit.) and give you a full copy of Windows running on your Mac with which toaccess your Windows programs.Get yourself a copy of Office 2004 Professional. It includes Virtual PC andit was designed just for you!CheersOn 3/8/07 1:34 AM, in article,' wrote:-Don't wait for your answer, click here:Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.John McGhie, Consultant Technical WriterMcGhie Information Engineering Pty LtdSydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:Jim Gordon MVP04.08.07 12:02.

Hi Jim:Ping me offline and I will tell you:-)CheersOn 5/8/07 3:02 AM, in articleC2DA458A.20B7C%goldkey74@WarmerThanWarmMail.com, 'Jim Gordon MVP' wrote: Quoting from 'John McGhie', in article, on DATE: Office 2004 WILL work with Leopard (OS 10.5.1). It will require an update, but it will work. How do you know this? Microsoft Virtual PC will run just fine on your G5 (it was designed for it.) and give you a full copy of Windows running on your Mac with which to access your Windows programs.

I no longer have a G5. I'm all Intel now.-Don't wait for your answer, click here:Please reply in the group. Please do NOT email me unless I ask you to.John McGhie, Consultant Technical WriterMcGhie Information Engineering Pty LtdSydney, Australia. S33°53'34.20 E151°14'54.50+61 4 1209 1410, mailto:John McGhie05.08.07 06:26.